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Topic: non-BMW Spline Lubricant??
bobthebob
Posts: 20
» 24.01.10 11:22 «
hey all - just curious, anyone know what if any alternatives there are to the BMW 'Number 10' spline lube grease? availability in the next couple of days is Nil and I'd love to be riding by tomorrow aft. instead of Tues.
let me know!
bennett
Pault
Posts: 43
» 24.01.10 11:28 «
Honda moly 60 seems to get mentioned quite a bit in other threads.About to tackle this myself.
bobthebob
Posts: 20
» 24.01.10 11:36 «
ahh yes... just found that myself on the BMW MOA site forum!
thanks tho - appreciate it. unfortunately still not sure I'll be able to get my hands on a tube of it before Tues.
all the cycle shops around here pick Sun and Mon as closed days, which is a bit selfish if you ask me! they want to be out riding but I need my parts!!
oh well. good luck with your spline lube, I just got finished pulling the tranny off my one K75 and am getting ready to lube the driveshaft on K75 #2 - between them both I'll be riding *something* by tues!!
cheers,
bennett
bobthebob
Posts: 20
» 24.01.10 19:35 «
hmm... well, it looks like I'm going to have to wait till tues - unless anyone knows if there is some kind of automotive lubricating compound that will work...
I'm all ears!
b
zonenfeile
Posts: 2885
» 24.01.10 20:34 «
BMW 'Number 10' spline lube grease
never heard of that - what´s that ?
for greasing the cardan shaft you´ve to look for:
Klüber Staburags NBU 30
That´s the org. BMW grease
Have a look at this file
pls. don´t use any "cooper" grease
if you intend to ignore that shaft pls look at our K-wiki
good evening from just north of Hamburg
bobthebob
Posts: 20
» 24.01.10 21:00 «
thanks zonenfelle - unfortunately my german is somewhat lacking =)
can I ask you to please have a look at my other thread:
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I'd like to have your input (so to speak... haha.
oh - and I'll be picking up a tube of your über-lübe on tues.
thanks, bennett
Erik_NL
» 25.01.10 11:16 «
Hi Bennett,
I vaguely recall from older maintenance schedules (either a private website or Clymer's??) BMW 'Number 10' also being called "the red stuff".
BMW works from the nineties on officially recommended the Staburags stuff our pal Olaf <zonenfeile> mentions.
My present tube with BMW part number 07 55 9 062 476 contains 100 grams of MP3, way too much for two machines even >10,000 mile intervals and very pricy. To me it looks very similar to the Staburags NPU 30 PTM ...
It may interest you that there is a continuous forum fund raising for the Off Road Kids by forum member <dambo> a.o. by selling Staburags. Enough for at least 20 driveline lubes, costing under US$ 10
If you cannot find dambo's contribution through [Search], feel free to send me a PM
mfG & see you beim VII. Saisonauftakt/Eifeltreffen 2010
Erik mit K75RT
Ned
Posts: 262
» 25.01.10 23:42 «
Pault:
Honda moly 60 seems to get mentioned quite a bit in other threads.About to tackle this myself.
For the Australian K Pilots... I've found a company in Sydney that produces industrial lubricants and it appears that they also make Molybond GA50... a 50% Moly disulphide grease/paste.
Molybond click here
They list splines as one of the applications. Molybond is also associated with Rocol, a well known workshop based product.
The cost of 100g tube is about AU$35 at least on this website :
http://www.collinsid.com.au/Product.php?Operation=SetSessionVariable&Variable[ProductCodeID]=itw-rp501008
(No idea why this URL didn't work... a job for the moderator perhaps? ... maybe to do with embedded "["... just cut and paste to see)
Pault
Posts: 43
» 26.01.10 01:34 «
http://www.collinsid.com.au/Pr…roductCodeID=itw-rp501008
I just deleted the brackets in the address
Thanks for the heads up.......Its about half the price of the honda stuff....
blakey
Posts: 113
» 26.01.10 01:50 «
Naked_K (Dave) put me onto this stuff.
I have bought a tube (black paste that sticks like shite to a blanket).
Ned, as the tube would probably last a life time, do you want me to post it to you to try? That way, you don't need to fork out the $35 only to find out it may be not what you wanted.
Ned
Posts: 262
» 26.01.10 02:26 «
Pault:
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I just deleted the brackets in the address
Thanks for the heads up.......Its about half the price of the honda stuff....
Thanks, that works.
Yes, and I think that Honda simply labels stuff like this. BTW it appears to go under "assembly paste" lubricants. A lot of people seem to make it, but you need to look at the tech doc to see if it is suitable.
blakey
Naked_K (Dave) put me onto this stuff.
I have bought a tube (black paste that sticks like shite to a blanket).
Ned, as the tube would probably last a life time, do you want me to post it to you to try? That way, you don't need to fork out the $35 only to find out it may be not what you wanted.
Hi Neil,
Have you used it on splines? I am preparing to do them the next chance I get.
Ok, that sounds good, but I am not sure when I am likely to do the job. I'll email.
bobthebob
Posts: 20
» 27.01.10 06:31 «
UPDATE:
so i went down to the BMW dealership today to buy me a tube of the Klüber Staburags NBU 30 - only to find they don't have it.
the service dept recommended instead BMW Motorcycle Grease Kluberplex BEM 34-132.
this stuff is listed as "For use on swing arm, steering head, and wheel bearings".
apparently this stuff is made by the same Kluber industries:
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anyway - this is what they say they use, any feedback?
cheers,
b
Ned
Posts: 262
» 27.01.10 09:12 «
bobthebob:
UPDATE:
so i went down to the BMW dealership today to buy me a tube of the Klüber Staburags NBU 30 - only to find they don't have it.
the service dept recommended instead BMW Motorcycle Grease Kluberplex BEM 34-132.
this stuff is listed as "For use on swing arm, steering head, and wheel bearings".
apparently this stuff is made by the same Kluber industries:
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anyway - this is what they say they use, any feedback?
cheers,
b
Had a look at the pdf. That stuff does not have MoS2 (moly disulphide) in it. MoS2 is the main solid lubricant. Moly paste is always Black or Grey/Black.
You can take their advice, but personally i would use MoS2 based grease.
Anyway, have a look at these products:
a. Loctite 8012,
b. Molykote M-77 (Dow Corning),
c. Honda M-77 paste (sold for cars CV joints and splines).
d. Molybond GA50
My quick look around tells me that they all are 50%+ MoS2, most are >60%.
Stonemull
Posts: 26
» 27.01.10 12:36 «
Hey Ned, I have a tube of Dow-Corning Molykote G-n metal assembly paste .. I added this to my shaft splines when I reassembled a couple of days ago.
Ah, found the info for the %'s in the MDS for the paste 15-40%.
probably not ideal but should do the job for a while.
Ned
Posts: 262
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» 27.01.10 14:48 «
Stonemull:
Hey Ned, I have a tube of Dow-Corning Molykote G-n metal assembly paste .. I added this to my shaft splines when I reassembled a couple of days ago.
Ah, found the info for the %'s in the MDS for the paste 15-40%.
probably not ideal but should do the job for a while.
My guess is that 40% is most likely to be ok. I think that the big thing about these type of lubricants is the working temp range. In this case they say up to 400C and that is not different to other 60% MoS2 pastes. Ordinary grease is somewhere below 200C, from memory. It is conceivable that metal to metal friction will produce temps higher than 200C.
How long will it last?... I have absolutely no idea.
Ned
Sydney, Australia
05/1986 (K55) K100RS Motorsport (Europe), Production Code: 0503
110k km, VIN:0140519
1961 Mk2 Jaguar
"Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est"
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Topic: non-BMW Spline Lubricant??
Stonemull
Posts: 26
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» 27.01.10 15:17 «
probably longer than the bike with my current riding style. Fell over yesterday on a fire access trail into my brothers new property with the missus on the back.
TBH I was bit too keen, trail was very steep and very rocky and we where going fine till I hit a couple of big rocks and got a bit too much air. Tried to stop and stabilise and with the front brakes locked simply went backwards. oops. fell over. no damage to me at all, no major damage to bike, couple of marks on the sump from a rock, another on the rear indicator .. missus has slightly sore elbow with a little mark, slightly sore foot with a little mark. My ears are burning though .. will never hear the end of it.
I still think I can do that hill one up. Not sure if I will try though. BMW road bikes sort of suck on the dirt trails.
bobthebob
Posts: 21
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» 27.01.10 16:55 «
hey all - well, that's annoying. I have to say that the guy at the dealership didn't really inspire confidence. this was the only grease they had in stock, and he really didn't seem to know what I was talking about, but he told me this was the correct stuff. when I said that this wasn't what I had been told to use, he then disappeared into the back to ask the service dept about it. they apparently said this is what they use...
but I left feeling suspicious enough to post about it!
I may be feeling somewhat overprotective but considering I just had 100% spline failure elsewhere on my bike I don't think I'm being unreasonable!
so - anyone in the U.S. know where I can get a tube of any of the above? I've been asking around - at the Honda dealer for ex. - and no one seems to know about any of these.
grrrr....
assistance?
cheers,
b
delawaredrew
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» 27.01.10 20:14 «
When was looking for spline lube I bought a tube of Cato Lith-Flex Multipurpose Grease at a aftermarket BMW shop. I ended up using something else that a mechanic friend had. I still have that unopened tube of lube in the garage.
A quick search online reveals little info about it, the MSDS is available here:
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Ned
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» 27.01.10 21:56 «
bobthebob:
hey all - well, that's annoying. I have to say that the guy at the dealership didn't really inspire confidence. this was the only grease they had in stock, and he really didn't seem to know what I was talking about, but he told me this was the correct stuff. when I said that this wasn't what I had been told to use, he then disappeared into the back to ask the service dept about it. they apparently said this is what they use...
but I left feeling suspicious enough to post about it!
I may be feeling somewhat overprotective but considering I just had 100% spline failure elsewhere on my bike I don't think I'm being unreasonable!
so - anyone in the U.S. know where I can get a tube of any of the above? I've been asking around - at the Honda dealer for ex. - and no one seems to know about any of these.
grrrr....
assistance?
cheers,
b
The ones I posted are all common names in industry. Molykote brand is sold in bearing supplier shops.
My local place is:
Look under Molykote
The other source, but expensive, may be the poeple that sell equipemnt, tools and general indusrial supplies by catalogue... like this:
Blackwoods Australia
I don't think that you will find any of these in the bike shop, if you do, I'll bet that it will be repacked and sold under their own badge, like Honda M-77.
Ned
Sydney, Australia
05/1986 (K55) K100RS Motorsport (Europe), Production Code: 0503
110k km, VIN:0140519
1961 Mk2 Jaguar
"Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est"
Ned
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» 27.01.10 22:08 «
delawaredrew:
When was looking for spline lube I bought a tube of Cato Lith-Flex Multipurpose Grease at a aftermarket BMW shop. I ended up using something else that a mechanic friend had. I still have that unopened tube of lube in the garage.
A quick search online reveals little info about it, the MSDS is available here:
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A classic MSDS... it only gives the minimum safety data and avoids details of formulation
I have no idea what the trade secret ingredient such as "SARA 313" is... I suspect that that was the point ... we are not to know.
However, it is a multi purpose grease. It is probably a very good lubricant, but I suspect that the operating range is upto 200C or so. Moly stuff should work up to 400C.
Ned
Sydney, Australia
05/1986 (K55) K100RS Motorsport (Europe), Production Code: 0503
110k km, VIN:0140519
1961 Mk2 Jaguar
"Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est"
japuentes
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» 28.01.10 18:09 «
Hello, I went to the staburag´s web site and inscribed in order to download the grease data (didn´t notice that is already avalaible in this threat) next day local representative call me and will try to find me the stuff.
Regarding the working temp. the data for the staburag indicates -10 to +160ºC.
Best regards
JAP
Ned
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» 28.01.10 23:40 «
japuentes:
Hello, I went to the staburag´s web site and inscribed in order to download the grease data (didn´t notice that is already avalaible in this threat) next day local representative call me and will try to find me the stuff.
Regarding the working temp. the data for the staburag indicates -10 to +160ºC.
Best regards
JAP
My local on-line BMW specialist offers OPTIMOL WHITE T-PASTE for drive shaft splines at $5 a tiny pot. This is white and definitely not Moly based. They claim 250c and the magic ingredient is Zinc + some organic thing.
Again, I guess that temperature is really the factor... all grease will do until things get hot. I think that MoS2, being inorganic and slippery will be left behind to do lubrication even if the grease melts away. A good article re grease and especially additives is : HERE
Ned
Sydney, Australia
05/1986 (K55) K100RS Motorsport (Europe), Production Code: 0503
110k km, VIN:0140519
1961 Mk2 Jaguar
"Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est"
Ned
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» 30.01.10 00:47 «
Hi,
here is a youtube video on BMW and splines ... it is 10min, but even if you don't agree with all he says about the design, the basic concepts are sound. I think that it answers most questions.
The reference on good quality Mo grease talks about Honda stuff, but I think that any 50%+ Moly grease will do just fine.
click here
Ned
Sydney, Australia
05/1986 (K55) K100RS Motorsport (Europe), Production Code: 0503
110k km, VIN:0140519
1961 Mk2 Jaguar
"Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est"
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Confusing to read with the loss of format and quotes and all, but the info is there!! Beats losing years of group knowledge! 